Dolph and Randy

Discussion in 'General WWE' started by RKOWorkHard1314, Jul 11, 2012.

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  1. Does any1 remember when randy orton won his first major title against chris benoit at summerslam 04. Does any1 think that Dolph Ziegler's first major title win should be a clean win just like orton's was.
     
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  3. First of all, welcome to the forum, head over to The Ramp and post your introduction thread so we can know a bit about you :).

    Secondly, I'm not a real big lover if Dolph, so im not fussed if he wins or not but I do feel if he is to win, then it should be done like Ortons win. (trying to remember ortons actually, I stopped watching around then I think it was).
     
  4. YES! it should be a clean win!
     
  5. It should, really. The prestige of his first world championship's nothing if he didn't win it clean! :))
     
  6. I think it should. However, since the last heel who won cleanly frequently in WWE was Mark Henry, I'm not sure they'll do that. They seem to think that faces always win clean and heels always win dirty. I think he'll win MITB and take the title from Sheamus, but I'd mark if he won clean.
     
  7. Ziggler will get a MITB cash in title reign that won't mean shit, nobody will care, and WWE will eventually forget about him. He will never be a WWE Champion
     

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  9. I'd prefer it to be clean but with his current character it doesn't matter. Clean or dirty, him holding the gold will push him to the levels we all know he can compete at. I seriously compare him to greats like HBK at the moment, his style is so similar. If they want a reliable charismatic champion then Dolph is the guy. Judging from reports, WWE see him in the same light as we do.
     
  10. Ziggler will turn face around Survivor Series, keeping the same character intact just facing heels, he'll win the Royal Rumble next year and dethrone Alberto Del Rio who will be massively over after his 10 Month title reign at Wrestlemania.

    Oh, wait this isn't TNA. Fuck.

    I'd like to see him get a long reign with the US belt, with a good mix of clean and dirty wins, until he gets a shot at 'Mania next year. Get the taste of "main event jobber" out of our mouths (why I voted no), then... Sadly, I can't see WWE letting him win the belt clean unless he turns face, and nobody would see him as a viable champion because of it. Maybe he can find a creative way to win dirty to get the fans thinking he's at least intellegent, and even get some clean wins at filler PPVs. But that's basic booking after just seeing a star being made while WWE continues to struggle to make any.
     
  11. Kane is winning royal rumble!
     
  12. Ziggler has already done all of this; and that's the problem. The only step for him is to start winning bigger things than their undercard belts. He had nice reigns with the IC and US belts, but as soon as he dropped them they went back to being meaningless. He's paid his dues jobbing to stars in the ME, and it's time we find out if WWE is serious about DZ or no. I have to assume he will win MITB Sunday, but what happens after that? Is he going to be the next Swagger or will this be used to actually help cement him as a superstar main eventer?
     
  13. I wouldn't assume that personally. I think it's more likely Rhodes is winning, everything else I agree with though. Ziggler - whether he's constantly jobbed or not - is ready for the big leagues now. He doesn't need building up again.
     
  14. Rhodes hasn't done jack shit since losing his IC Title. He's been a complete afterthought. Ziggler (up until this week) has been featured regularly on Raw whether it was him breaking up with Swagger and squashing him, the Sheamus shit, the ADR shit, or what have you.

    Ziggler not winning Sunday is an awful sign for him, and my pessimism will be validated because WWE isn't going to utilize him like they should. I think he will win though, and we will see what happens from there.
     
  15. Couldn't disagree with you more. Most wrestlers aren't doing anything OR are on a fucked up streak when they win MITB. Miz is an example of that. Miz lost his US title to a rookie in Daniel Bryan, then lost his rematch but went and won MITB. Rhodes loses to Christian and doesn't do much after, and then goes and wins MITB is my prediction. It's the SmackDown MITB. Ziggler is a RAW superstar with a RAW future. Ziggler not winning on Sunday isn't a bad sign at all. If you think WWE aren't going to utilize Dolph Ziggler then wow.
     
  16. I'm in doubt between Rhodes or Ziggler. Sadly, just because Rhodes hasn't done anything big recently it doesn't mean he won't win MITB, just like Swagger in 2010. Wasn't he feuding with Santino before it? I'd pick DZ as the winner, but you never know.
     
  17. Agree with you on what he's done with the mid-card belts. But if he wins that belt after jobbing to Sheamus 100 times, it won't mean shit and nobody will take it seriously. He's firmly imprinted in my mind as a jobber (booking only, he's BITW as a talent) and he should get away from the ME for a little while before winning.

    You know I hate those mid-card belts, I just wish they'd get rid of them, but DZ needs to do something.
    I say RR because he should be a main-eventer before MITB next year for sure.

    Rhodes can be the next Miz, where he just seems like a mid-carder when winning the briefcase but can get a lot of heat before cashing in.
     
  18. Miz was on fire when he won MITB. His feud with Bryan was great, and even though he lost he didn't lose any momentum.

    And you assuming WWE will utilize Ziggler is hilarious. As if they haven't ever dropped the ball on great talents before :haha: . As I said, they might wind up giving him a couple of meaningless WHC title reigns, but he's already had one 45 minute reign. I really don't see them ever unleashing him as a legitimate main eventer like the IWC wants to see.