Politics GUNS in AMERICA

Discussion in 'Serious Topics & Debates' started by Dolph'sZiggler, Dec 25, 2012.

  1. #1 Dolph'sZiggler, Dec 25, 2012
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    I started to make this post in the thread where Crayo & Aids were discussing it, but I think it will be worthy of its own thread. I have for the most part, besides a few little quips here and there, avoided any and all topics about guns and American gun policies on this forum. It isn't because I don't like you all or think that your conversations or debates on the topic can't be intelligent, insightful, informative or anything like that. I generally read through the discussion and usually take something away from something that someone has said.

    I just feel like I feel the way I feel and it won't change the way anyone else thinks; so I have my beliefs and they are what they are. Generally the topic just ends with both sides banging their head against the wall wondering how the other side can think the way they do.


    I'll just start by saying that America has a problem. I think everyone, from the extremists on both sides: the tree hugging let's ban guns hippies and the redneck let's shoot it if it moves conservatives can agree on that.

    I'll continue by saying we have more than a gun problem. We have a problem with murders in general, which is what the pro-gun rights activists will be quick to point out in the defense of the good ol' honest gun totin' American.

    Actually to say that America has a murder problem would be a drastic understatement. In any given year in the United States you can expect upwards of 15,000+ murders to occur. How disturbing is that? In this country, the most spoiled ass motherfuckers on Earth, with life easier than anywhere else, and these fat fucks have nothing better to do than kill each other.

    And what is overwhelmingly an American's favorite way to kill another person?

    I won't spoil it for you

    You might say to me, but D'Z, the United States also has a very high population. Might those murder totals be inflated by the sheer number of people living in the country?

    I'm glad you asked. Last I checked there weren't all that many of us, only about 300,000,000 or so, but I will do you the solid of finding you some information more relevant to the topic at hand than simple murder totals.

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    As you see, this shit isn't normal. A lot of people who might not like the idea of having more restrictive firearms laws like to think for some reason that it is. It certainly isn't. Also should I assume that it is a big coincidence that the countries with stricter gun control are at the very bottom of the list with bars that are barely visible while the United States, with our hand out guns like candy policies, is nearly off the charts?

    Do you know which country has the strictest gun control? Japan. Guess how many gun deaths they have a year? About 10. Again, just a big coincidence?

    It's not a coincidence. More guns = more homicides

    You want to know what it should be like to get a gun?

    If I went to a town hall meeting in the South and proposed even the first sentence of that quote I would probably be in danger of getting shot myself. Do I think that type of gun control is possible in the United States? Sadly no, not for the foreseeable future at least. The love of the gun is already way too ingrained in our culture. The idea of shooting someone is also glorified in certain parts of American culture. Of course I'm talking about gangs, the hip hop culture and the entire inner-city lifestyle that is a sad and harsh reality in so many of the larger urban cities across the country.

    The fact is, living in the United States you are 20 times more likely to be shot and killed than in other developed countries. We have horrific spree killers who shoot up malls, theaters, churches and worst of all schools on a regular basis. The vast majority of the times these mass spree shooters obtain their firearms legally.

    I hear the arguments that stricter gun control means people can't protect themselves. I have to ask, protect themselves of what? If you made a list of all deaths in the United States do you have any idea how far down you would have to go before you go to 'Killed by intruder during home invasion' ? It would be right under struck by lightning and shark attacks.

    Not to mention endless statistics have proven time and time again that you are more likely to be killed by your own gun during a home invasion than actually using the gun to in some way save your own life. But sadly the more likely and common scenario involves an accidental shooting and often times death of a family member, friend or even child. But we love our guns by god.

    Then you have the people who say "well if you ban guns you aren't taking them away from criminals! no sir! You are only taking them away from the honest, hard working Americans, who are now hapless against a nation of criminals who WILL have guns obtained through illegal means!"

    Sure. Criminals will still have guns. It would be incredibly hard to regulate (especially in the beginning) stricter gun laws for all of the reasons I mentioned before, the main one being the average American's stance on guns. It is almost like telling Americans baseball should be illegal. They just can't comprehend why that is.

    Just because it would be an uphill battle and an elongated process doesn't mean it isn't one that we should be starting. Everything isn't easy, and getting this country to a point where these bullshit shootings aren't the regular certainly wouldn't be that. But that isn't a reason to not try.

    First of all, you fucking ban all automatic weapons. No citizen needs them. If you want to shoot one, join the fucking military.

    But here is a fun fact most of you probably already know: Handguns are responsible for 90+% of the firearms deaths. But we can't ban good ol' hand guns, can we? Sadly we cannot, not at this point at least. Americans love their handguns. but it should be helluva time trying to obtain one. None of this show an ID and have a few spare bucks laying around bullshit that we have now.

    Gun control works. Idgaf what any redneck tries to tell you. Gun control leads to less homicides overall, and obviously firearms related homicides.

    It seems like common sense, but here is a chart to illustrate my point

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    “The map overlays the map of firearm deaths above with gun control restrictions by state,” explains Florida. “It highlights states which have one of three gun control restrictions in place – assault weapons’ bans, trigger locks, or safe storage requirements. Firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation. Though the sample sizes are small, we find substantial negative correlations between firearm deaths and states that ban assault weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and mandate safe storage requirements for guns (-.48).”

    One last note which I just find sickening.. despite everything I've pointed out in this post Americans are actually wanting less gun control. Read that back if you need to. Less. Gun. Control.


    Shocking, no? I am embarrassed by my country quite a lot. I find so much of what we are and what we stand for to be a disappointing crock of shit that I'm saddened to see so many people gleefully stand by while pounding their red white and blue chests.

    But of all the shit about this country, the fact that the average citizen is so willing to turn a blind eye to this fucking massive problem just baffles me.

    We have the right to bare arms. But we don't fucking need it. We just think we do.

    I'm not proofreading that so if you don't like the spelling or grammatical errors you'll possibly come across, too damn bad. If I was rambling as bad as I think I was, deal with it.
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  2. Only police should be allowed to carry any type of gun.
  3. That'd be nice. Sadly the sun will have engulfed the Earth many millions of years before the US would ever be ready for that
  4. i agree, or security guards and those people.
  5. Honestly this is the kind of people we need, one that will actually give a shit about this kind of stuff. A lot of people just ignore this stuff, but it can't be ignored. These are our fellow people dying, those kids who died, they could have been the next Martin Luther Kings, the next Jimi Hendrix, next actual heroes, but no. I see so many people avoid the talk of guns and say that it is useless it won't change a thing if we vote, but I think we can. We need restrictions on guns, it will lower deaths, I understand Japan is a different culture, but we need to do what they do. They have a shitload of stuff to do just to get a gun, if someone wants to go shoot someone up randomly is most likely not going to go through all of this, he may get one illegally but it'll be a lot harder. I can go one, but you pretty much hit it on the head, the only thing that's a problem is people don't care. You see people stood up against SOPA but when it comes to our fellow man, the children and everyone else they give up hope. Obviously if we gather up we have the power to change, we just need to get off our lazy asses, educate ourselves, and stand up for what's right. I know you're tired of it, and so am I of seeing our fellow Americans die by the masses because of gun possession, and I'm glad you took the time to write this, hopefully this will give some people an education about guns.
  6. Well spoken and well thought out. Good job Dolph's
  7. Agree with it all. Going to link this thread to those who disagree with my stance on it as you have just illustrated my previous points in more detail with factual evidence. The most embarrassing part of this all is that the NRA are trying to have more guns in school, so their plan to tackle this gun problem is give MORE people MORE guns, this seriously reminds me of some family guy/south park bullshit. UK has like 8 gun deaths a year, it just doesn't happen here; if our crappy country has this right then America should too.
  8. More guns is always their answer. Someone got robbed at gunpoint? I know the problem, they didn't have a gun to protect themselves!

    When in reality, just like I pointed out about having a gun in your home, you are more likely to experience a tragic accident by having a gun around unnecessarily. I would hate to be at the NRA spokesman presser the first time some retarded teacher forgot to lock his gun away properly and a kid shoots himself or another child. Because that's what would happen. Not some Johnny Badass teacher taking out an intruder on campus. And it's pathetic because that's what those retards picture in their head when they propose these ideas.
  9. Just checked, JBL and Eric Bischoff are having an interesting discussion about this subject as well on twitter.
  10. I see Bischoff using the cherrypicked "WELL CHICAGO HAS STRICT GUN LAWS AND LOTSA PPL GET SHOT THERE!!!" argument. Pathetic.
  11. Didn't expect anything else.
  12. Ironic, how people need guns for protection. The ironic part is the thing that protection is needed from is more guns. If guns were completely removed there would be less robberies, considering most robberies are done with guns. There would be much less murders overall. The hood wouldn't be as dangerous. Just like more wars won't necessary won't stop war. More violence won't solve violence. Fuel won't put out a fire and printing more money won't bring the value of the dollar up. More guns won't solve a problem with guns. Just adds fuel to the fire.
  13. ''I just feel like I feel the way I feel''

  14. Ill come get raped here soon. Too much reading ATM. At the moment, not ass to mouth.
  15. Lets give some concussions away together, bro.
  16. :yes:
  17. It's not even like that man. Differing opinions are great and if you feel like articulating your stance and ideas I would love to discuss them. Like I said in the post everyone knows there is a problem, but there can be multiple viewpoints on why we have the problem or the best ways to try and correct the problem.
  18. Damn :sad:
  19. This is one of those problems that I personally have no idea how to deal with. Guns are an issue but I think we have to also look at why people commit certain crimes etc.... and honestly we have to look to the state of the world as a whole. Stricter gun control is for me a yes but also I think we need to look at education and the reasons people commit gun crimes. If it's robberies for money then we need to try and help these people earlier in life to get ahead and have a life. If it's gang related we need to try and teach new ways to resolve gang conflicts. I'm not saying education is purely the key but it has to start at an early age I suppose to help people realise that guns shouldn't be glorified and how dangerous they can be.

    No idea if there is any sense in that post but some thoughts.