Did the PPV Ruin The Match?

Killer Orange Cat

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I have a problem with this PPV. Often lately, they just put a match together because to have a Cell match. But for the longest time, this was the final match to settle a long feud. Now it feels boring and routine to me. I think they should axe it and just have the matches on different PPVs.
 
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I used to think yes, absolutely. Think about the Royal Rumble, or the Elimination Chamber. They are events, every January and every February, you get those two matches no matter what else is going on. The Hell in a Cell ppv did something similar, where every October, you just get the match no matter what.

But then I thought about Extreme Rules. That show makes extreme rules matches just happen, but we still get extreme rules matches throughout the year. Is the no holds barred match at Summerslam instantly lame because we always get one in May? In a similar light, the HiaC Cell match is always the least cool HiaC every year, but does that make other Cell matches less cool? Remember Taker v McMahon at WM 32? It was still awesome, despite the HiaC ppv.

I think the problem is that HiaC's happen far less, making the ppv the only time we get to see it. Whenever it happens outside of the show, it's still just as amazing as in the old days.

Plus, even then, the ppv Cells aren't the worst, my favorite match is Usos v New Day in the cell, and remember how good Owens v Shane was? The main problem is that most of the latest matches, Banks vs Charlotte, Reigns vs Strowman, Rollins vs Fiend, they've been absolute garbage, but is that really because it's an unnecessary cell match, or is it because they were bad matches?
 
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Plus, even then, the ppv Cells aren't the worst, my favorite match is Usos v New Day in the cell, and remember how good Owens v Shane was? The main problem is that most of the latest matches, Banks vs Charlotte, Reigns vs Strowman, Rollins vs Fiend, they've been absolute garbage, but is that really because it's an unnecessary cell match, or is it because they were bad matches?

But very often a really intense rivalry can make a match better because we get more emotionally involved.
 

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But very often a really intense rivalry can make a match better because we get more emotionally involved.
You're totally right, but does having non emotionally involved matches ruin the Cell, or just the match itself?

But here's were the rot actually kicks in. In the past 11 years, we've only had two non-HiaC Cell matches. Outside matches make the Cell just as cool as it once was, but we never get them.

So did the ppv ruin the match? I don't think so, ruin implies that it's broken, like how they ruined The Ascension. I think the ppv is like a very very fat man sitting on the match, suffocating it, but they can get off at any time and it'll pop back up. #StopSittingOnTheCell
 

Killer Orange Cat

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You're totally right, but does having non emotionally involved matches ruin the Cell, or just the match itself?
Only if they overdue it. If we get a lot of cell matches every year with minimal build up, then we might stop looking forward to cell matches at all. Right now, I am not into it at all and that is sad for me.
 

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Most definitely. The match was originally the culmination of a grudge, and now it's just a date on the calendar. You don't get Undertaker v. Michaels or Undertaker v. Batista calibre Cell matches anymore precisely because they shoehorn feuds that are happening, at the time, into these matches instead building the feud with the match itself. It's a shame too, the same degradation has happened to the Chamber. The only gimmick match PPV that works and belongs is the Money in the Bank.
 

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To be honest the match used to be like a birthday gift to us.

But I wouldn't say it's ruined. It's too classic to be ruined in my opinion.

They just gave Hell in a Cell a mid card feel with the ppv
 

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Absolutely, yes. It puts feuds that aren't always worthy in the match simply because "It is that time of year," and there is a difference between say, The Royal Rumble, Elimination Chamber, or Money in the Bank than a HIAC. The Rumble doesn't require major storyline, the Elimination Chamber is at least excused as a way to lead to determining a number one contender for Wrestlemania if the Rumble winner doesn't pick that match, or just a "last-ditch effort to get to a mania title match" and Money in the Bank... While this year appears to be kind of pointless, is a way to determine a number one contender down the line and you don't need a feud to be in a match.
 
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Absolutely, but I think it's just a match that should have been done away with in the PG Era.
When I started watching, it was a match I looked back and watched because of the awesome spectacle that was the 6-man HIAC.
Going back to seeing Shawn vs Taker. Taker vs Mankind. So many classic Cell matches on Youtube pre-Network.
When I first saw there was going to be a HIAC PPV I was pumped, and liked the gimmick PPV's at first.
But you expect a certain level of chaos with a Cell match, they built that into the mystique of the cell, and the first PG HIAC match was a regular match with a cage around it
and now it's devolved into such a meme after the last 2 PPV's. It's become a true anti-draw for me.
 

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Definitely. Hell in a Cell was my favourite gimmick match and the primary reason for that was more than any other gimmick match, Hell in a Cell was less about the content of the match as it was about the context. Though it's not like the PPV is the only culprit here, the ridiculous non-sensical booking the last few years have done maybe even more damage. Or maybe it just feels that way because it's spitting on the grave but HIAC shouldn't be ending in No Contests or DQ's/Match Stoppage (however they want to spin that, it's stupid). And this may just be a me thing but the bigger Cell design that started using killed a lot of it too. Not only does it limit the amount of high spots possible (sans Shane McMahon being nuts), but HIAC is suppose to be sort of claustrophobic, it's too open now, doesn't convey the same intense atmosphere of two heated rivals being trapped in. There's of course been great HIAC matches after PPV era, End of an Era is one of my favourites HIAC matches (though that had a lot of added context that felt natural due to the history of those involved, and being at Mania instead of HIAC) but what made the match so special originally has undeniably been lost in the transition.
 

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This year they have 3 matches that all coincidentally appropriate for the Hell In A Cell stipulation.

Maybe Jey vs Roman isn't worthy but it definitely the most over programme in wrestling atm
 

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The last hell in a cell match i watched ended in a DQ

That alone, the fact i can even make that sentance, should answer your question.

I still don't know if it was DQ or a No-Contest to this day. The biggest defence people have used has been either the story, or saying "Well, they should have stopped with Mick Foley..."

For the story, I have seen a couple of videos about the horror movie links to The Fiend, and I can sort of seeing it in a way, but the execution was done poorly. I don't even recall the announcer saying "A Referee has ordered a stop to this match, therefore it is a draw" or whatever.

Then in terms of Mick Foley's cell match with Undertaker as a comparison... Mick Foley was legit injured and even if the match was iconic, they probably should have stopped it all things considered! But the match wasn't stopped due to a legit injury... It was just stupid. Even in kayfabe, he got right back up after and laid him out.

Counting the previous year with the Non-Finish with Braun and Roman, the Hell in a Cell match concept has been tainted especially after classics like the first Hell in a Cell, the before mentioned Mankind vs Taker and countless others. People don't even think of some of the better HIAC matches we got over the past couple of years like Becky vs Sasha, Usos vs New Day, because those two examples just hurt a lot.

And I think X Pac's reaction puts it the best.

 

Killer Orange Cat

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This year they have 3 matches that all coincidentally appropriate for the Hell In A Cell stipulation.

Maybe Jey vs Roman isn't worthy but it definitely the most over programme in wrestling atm

Bayley and Sasha has been going on for years, so I think it is the most appropriate to fit in with what Hell in a Cell normally stands for .

Although Jey and Roman hasn't had a long build to it, it does have an intense build, I think. So it doesn't bother me that they are doing it.
 

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Even as someone who thinks what's "worth" the Hell in a Cell truly does come down to "who's feuding in October", from what I can tell they do have some damn good feuds going on right now at the top of the card.
 

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