Elliot Rodgers murders many, Posts this video before.

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    The massacre Elliot Rodger perpetrated on and around the University of California, Santa Barbara last Friday night, in which he killed six people, wounded 13 others and then killed himself, is horrible both for what makes it unique and what makes it familiar. Young men kill their fellow citizens and students with unnerving regularity in the United States. But Rodger left behind a detailed and clear-headed autobiography detailing his intense rage at women, the men with whom they chose to have sex and relationships and his own lack of sexual and romantic experience.

    A protest against sexual violence and hate crimes in the Isla Vista neighborhood of Santa Barbara, Calif., on Monday. (Lucy Nicholson/Reuters)

    The intense parsing of Rodger’s manifesto and discussions of the internet subcultures he had contact with make it easy to forget that he was only the second person to put University of California at Santa Barbara in headlines this year. The school became the subject of national debate when students there asked thatUCSB professors be required to provide detailed explanations on their syllabuses of which potentially traumatic material their pupils might encounter during the semester.

    It may seem odd to link a mass killing and what seems like a rehashing of old debates about campus culture, freedom of expression and intense political sensitivity. But these two very different events at UCSB speak to different aspects of a deeply broken culture.

    UCSB students are hardly alone in requesting trigger warnings. But the university became a particularly prominent example after a second incident, in which Mireille Miller-Young, an associate professor in UCSB’s feminist studies department, allegedly clashed with pro-life protesters on campus. Miller-Young, who was pregnant at the time, said that seeing the protest had prompted the sort of traumatic response UCSB students hoped to avoid in the classroom with the help of trigger warnings.

    It is easy to mock college students who seek trigger warnings on their syllabuses, or a professor who uses the idea of “triggering” to excuse behavior that is unbefitting someone who responsible for educating and uplifting young people. Over the past couple of months, as this debate has played out in any number of national publications, my thinking on trigger warnings has shifted somewhat. I still have no intention of using them in my work, and I would not support their use in classroom settings. I have come to see requests for trigger warnings, though, as an important sign of despair, an indicator that something is broken in the environment from which the requests come.

    Online, trigger warnings act as an acknowledgement that much of the wilderness of the internet is untamable. If the conversations that take place in many comments sections and fora cannot be restored to civility, trigger warnings are an attempt to carve hamlets out of these dark forests, providing places where weary pioneers can at least be forewarned of the terms of discussion.

    On college campuses, it seems no mistake that calls for trigger warnings have sprung up at the same time that the country is trying to reckon with the failures of many colleges and universities to create safe environments for their students. In late April, the Obama administration released a major report on sexual assault at college campuses and the way institutions of higher learning respond to allegations that one student has attacked another. The Education Department has cited some schools, including Tufts University, for failing to protect their students’ civil rights.

    If campuses are dangerous, unpredictable places, students’ attempts to make their classrooms an environment where they know what to expect may be less an expression of over-sensitivity than a white flag of surrender. Calls for trigger warnings may be less a sign that political correctness has taken over the academy than a sign that colleges and universities are failing to live up to their basic obligations to keep their students safe.

    Elliot Rodger was not a student at the University of California at Santa Barbara. He had been enrolled in and dropped out of Santa Barbara City College. But he planned to attack, as he put it in a detailed autobiography he e-mailed to his parents and therapist, “the very girls who represent everything I hate in the female gender: the hottest sorority of UCSB.”

    Rodger, by his own accounting, never made actual advances to any woman. As a result, he never experienced any rejection of romantic overtures. But he hated women anyway. His plan for a slaughter at a sorority house was actually a diminution of his vision of a world where women were starved to death en masse, freeing men of sexual desire. Rodger would compromise further. When the women of Alpha Phi did not answer the door when Rodger knocked on it, he killed women who simply had the misfortune to be near the sorority house.

    Rodger is not the first man to commit mass murder at or near UCSB. In 2001, David Attias, then a freshman at the university, killed four people with his car. Like Rodger, he cited romantic disappointment as a motivation for his murders. Unlike Rodger, Attias lived and was sentenced to 60 years in a mental health facility. In 2012, he was awarded a conditional release, though his incarceration included a number of incidents that suggested Attias continued to have issues with sexual boundaries and sexual entitlement.

    Rodger and Attias’ crimes alone might be enough to make UCSB students feel uneasy about the school environment and what malevolence might lurk in the hearts of their peers. But it is not only grandiose killers like these two young men who influence the environment at UCSB and nearby Isla Vista.

    As Nick Welch reported in the Santa Barbara Independent this weekend, the mainstream sexual and social culture from which Rodger felt excluded poses its own dangers.

    “This year’s much-berated Deltopia celebration [which Rodger considered, then rejected, as a target], for example, erupted into an out-of-control riot six weeks ago,” Welch wrote. “Just two weeks before Deltopia, Sheriff’s deputies and the Isla Vista Foot Patrol found themselves forced to quell a Saturday-night mini-riot. In both instances, law enforcement officials have blamed outsiders for instigating the violence. . . . The laissez-faire attitude of the community at large toward Isla Vista bacchanalian extravagance was at least temporarily shocked earlier this year by a pair of uncommonly violent gang rapes. And while UCSB has yet to attain the notoriety of other universities tainted by allegations of consequence-free sexual assaults, the problem clearly exists here. Already, it has drawn the attention of Janet Napolitano, the new head of the UC system.”

    Elliot Rodger may have been unique in his lethality, but the unusual scope of his violence does not mean that his ideas were alien to the college ecosystem in which he stewed, killed and committed suicide.

    My colleague Ann Hornaday argued this weekend that Rodger’s resentments may have been fueled in part by a culture that promulgates the idea that an ideal college experience “should be full of ‘sex and fun and pleasure.’” She might have added that people who pursue that dream of a four-year rager with more success that Rodger can still do great harm to themselves and others.

    In the days to come, we will revisit conversations about gun violence prevention, mental health care and the intersections of these policy issues. A wide-ranging discussion about everything from the consequences women face for turning down romantic advances to structural bias in any number of industries, organized under the hashtag#YesAllWomen, is underway on Twitter.

    My hope is that, as we fumble forward, we can acknowledge that the sexual culture by which Elliot Rodger felt personally affronted does a far graver disservice to many other people. Neither Rodger nor anyone else has a right to sex or female attention and affection. But we all deserve an environment in which we can pursue sex and love with respect for others and without fear of violence or shame for ourselves.
  2. I posted this an hour after it happened, the thread has since been closed due to the immaturity of a few users making fun of the murderer.
  3. Oh, Didn't know that. Dude does sound like a douche though tbh.
  4. I read his manifesto and watched the videos. Some fucked up shit.
  5. Why was he so obsessed with sex? It doesn't even appear he was that interested in love, more so sex. There are prostitutes daddy could afford.
  6. It wasn't that he was obsessed with sex but more so a desire for attention. Yes, he talked about not getting laid but that had nothing to do with what he did. I didn't lose my virginity until I was 23... I didn't kill people or even have the thought to. This person was just sick, mentally ill and needed help and no-one noticed until it was too late... unfortunately things like this happen.

    What I don' t like is when people make light of things like this when they happen... posting what they think are funny videos.. it's no joking matter at all. 6 mothers and fathers lost their sons/daughters and that should be the focus of this... that and trying to learn how to better detect these things in the future.
  7. So, If dude got laid you still think he kills 6 people?
  8. Yes, he'd find something else to base it on... perhaps his next reasoning would have been that a girl had sex with him and then dumped him for another guy...mental illness doesn't go away.
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  9. Neither do liberals who constantly shout gun control but do not realize that isn't the issue. What the issue is, is that mental illness can not be stopped. If someone wants to do something to harm someone, then they will find a way to do it.
  10. Exactly my point.
  11. From brief viewing, a significant amount of the blame needs to go to his parents. They knew about his sickening videos and their response is to ask him to take them down... I'm sorry, but he needed immediate treatment for mental illness, and the lack of observation around him is worrying. Sure, people can hide their issues just like people may not think it was as severe as it clearly was, but this story smells of parental neglect.
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  12. Nah but guns are certainly the easiest way for mentally insane people to lash out. I do agree that some people are just crazy though

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  13. He was 22 years old... he wasn't living at home.. his parents called the police on him and sheriffs visited and interviewed him and ate up his act of the nice shy guy... they were supposed to search the home (which would have uncovered the weapons and ammo) and by CA state law they could have ordered a mental evaluation.. and even though both are part of protocol they decided not to do either because "there didn't seem to be anything wrong with him".. I wasn't aware that law enforcement officers had degrees in psychology and could diagnose on the spot like that.

    There are a lot of places to point the blame.. are his parents partially to blame? Yes, but to be honest it's not their job anymore to tend to their son once he's over the age of 18 and vacated their home. The sheriffs that went to his house are even more at fault. It was just a perfect storm of screw-ups that led to a terrible tragedy... I just hope everyone will learn something from it.
  14. I blame all of the slutty girls who didn't want to suck his dick for being such a badass/BMW driver. But they'll suck guys dicks who drive Hondas?? Where is the justice. Next thing you know I'll be getting ass in my FORD F250! Yuck!
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  15. You can't blame guns anymore. What about that kid a couple of months ago that stabbed 27 people in 5 minutes at a highschool?
  16. How many died?

    How many would have died if he had a gun?
  17. Violence is always going to be an issue. But to not put blame on how easy it is to get a gun is not the way to go. As you said, he'll find a way to harm someone. But making it harder for him to get a hold of weapons makes that even harder for him.
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  18. I've posted novels on gun control on here before.. not going to get into it again but I could dig up my old threads if anyone is really interested (not likely)
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