I started to make this post in the thread where Crayo & Aids were discussing it, but I think it will be worthy of its own thread. I have for the most part, besides a few little quips here and there, avoided any and all topics about guns and American gun policies on this forum. It isn't because I don't like you all or think that your conversations or debates on the topic can't be intelligent, insightful, informative or anything like that. I generally read through the discussion and usually take something away from something that someone has said. I just feel like I feel the way I feel and it won't change the way anyone else thinks; so I have my beliefs and they are what they are. Generally the topic just ends with both sides banging their head against the wall wondering how the other side can think the way they do. __________ I'll just start by saying that America has a problem. I think everyone, from the extremists on both sides: the tree hugging let's ban guns hippies and the redneck let's shoot it if it moves conservatives can agree on that. I'll continue by saying we have more than a gun problem. We have a problem with murders in general, which is what the pro-gun rights activists will be quick to point out in the defense of the good ol' honest gun totin' American. Actually to say that America has a murder problem would be a drastic understatement. In any given year in the United States you can expect upwards of 15,000+ murders to occur. How disturbing is that? In this country, the most spoiled ass motherfuckers on Earth, with life easier than anywhere else, and these fat fucks have nothing better to do than kill each other. And what is overwhelmingly an American's favorite way to kill another person? I won't spoil it for you You might say to me, but D'Z, the United States also has a very high population. Might those murder totals be inflated by the sheer number of people living in the country? I'm glad you asked. Last I checked there weren't all that many of us, only about 300,000,000 or so, but I will do you the solid of finding you some information more relevant to the topic at hand than simple murder totals. Spoiler (Move your mouse to the spoiler area to reveal the content) Show Spoiler Hide Spoiler As you see, this shit isn't normal. A lot of people who might not like the idea of having more restrictive firearms laws like to think for some reason that it is. It certainly isn't. Also should I assume that it is a big coincidence that the countries with stricter gun control are at the very bottom of the list with bars that are barely visible while the United States, with our hand out guns like candy policies, is nearly off the charts? Do you know which country has the strictest gun control? Japan. Guess how many gun deaths they have a year? About 10. Again, just a big coincidence? It's not a coincidence. More guns = more homicides You want to know what it should be like to get a gun? If I went to a town hall meeting in the South and proposed even the first sentence of that quote I would probably be in danger of getting shot myself. Do I think that type of gun control is possible in the United States? Sadly no, not for the foreseeable future at least. The love of the gun is already way too ingrained in our culture. The idea of shooting someone is also glorified in certain parts of American culture. Of course I'm talking about gangs, the hip hop culture and the entire inner-city lifestyle that is a sad and harsh reality in so many of the larger urban cities across the country. The fact is, living in the United States you are 20 times more likely to be shot and killed than in other developed countries. We have horrific spree killers who shoot up malls, theaters, churches and worst of all schools on a regular basis. The vast majority of the times these mass spree shooters obtain their firearms legally. I hear the arguments that stricter gun control means people can't protect themselves. I have to ask, protect themselves of what? If you made a list of all deaths in the United States do you have any idea how far down you would have to go before you go to 'Killed by intruder during home invasion' ? It would be right under struck by lightning and shark attacks. Not to mention endless statistics have proven time and time again that you are more likely to be killed by your own gun during a home invasion than actually using the gun to in some way save your own life. But sadly the more likely and common scenario involves an accidental shooting and often times death of a family member, friend or even child. But we love our guns by god. Then you have the people who say "well if you ban guns you aren't taking them away from criminals! no sir! You are only taking them away from the honest, hard working Americans, who are now hapless against a nation of criminals who WILL have guns obtained through illegal means!" Sure. Criminals will still have guns. It would be incredibly hard to regulate (especially in the beginning) stricter gun laws for all of the reasons I mentioned before, the main one being the average American's stance on guns. It is almost like telling Americans baseball should be illegal. They just can't comprehend why that is. Just because it would be an uphill battle and an elongated process doesn't mean it isn't one that we should be starting. Everything isn't easy, and getting this country to a point where these bullshit shootings aren't the regular certainly wouldn't be that. But that isn't a reason to not try. First of all, you fucking ban all automatic weapons. No citizen needs them. If you want to shoot one, join the fucking military. But here is a fun fact most of you probably already know: Handguns are responsible for 90+% of the firearms deaths. But we can't ban good ol' hand guns, can we? Sadly we cannot, not at this point at least. Americans love their handguns. but it should be helluva time trying to obtain one. None of this show an ID and have a few spare bucks laying around bullshit that we have now. Gun control works. Idgaf what any redneck tries to tell you. Gun control leads to less homicides overall, and obviously firearms related homicides. It seems like common sense, but here is a chart to illustrate my point Spoiler (Move your mouse to the spoiler area to reveal the content) Show Spoiler Hide Spoiler “The map overlays the map of firearm deaths above with gun control restrictions by state,” explains Florida. “It highlights states which have one of three gun control restrictions in place – assault weapons’ bans, trigger locks, or safe storage requirements. Firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation. Though the sample sizes are small, we find substantial negative correlations between firearm deaths and states that ban assault weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and mandate safe storage requirements for guns (-.48).” One last note which I just find sickening.. despite everything I've pointed out in this post Americans are actually wanting less gun control. Read that back if you need to. Less. Gun. Control. Shocking, no? I am embarrassed by my country quite a lot. I find so much of what we are and what we stand for to be a disappointing crock of shit that I'm saddened to see so many people gleefully stand by while pounding their red white and blue chests. But of all the shit about this country, the fact that the average citizen is so willing to turn a blind eye to this fucking massive problem just baffles me. We have the right to bare arms. But we don't fucking need it. We just think we do. I'm not proofreading that so if you don't like the spelling or grammatical errors you'll possibly come across, too damn bad. If I was rambling as bad as I think I was, deal with it.