Has the WWE found a way to keep John Cena around?

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Thanks for putting Roman and Cena in the same sentence.

It reminded me of this epic promo where Cena roasted Roman's ass up

I remember a time when i didnt like Cena like alot of other people, but then i realised just how great he was on the mic, and how great he can be in the ring too (His matches against Owens and AJ Styles and his US Title Open Challenges) Sure, he defeated Bray at WrestleMania when Bray needed the win, but lets be honest, that was Vince's fault, not Cena's, its always Vince, Vince was the one having Cena win all the time, not John.

Now i actually like it when John shows up, hes been gone for so long its like a breath of fresh air.
 

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Yeah, I’m in the same boat: shocked Cena vs Roman wasn’t a mania main event. Honestly, I would’ve liked that better than Roman vs Brock again. I think Cena would’ve put on a good showing, especially in the main event. What would’ve been cool though is if Roman turned heel in the main event to beat Cena. Could you imagine the heat?...
 

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Yeah, I’m in the same boat: shocked Cena vs Roman wasn’t a mania main event. Honestly, I would’ve liked that better than Roman vs Brock again. I think Cena would’ve put on a good showing, especially in the main event. What would’ve been cool though is if Roman turned heel in the main event to beat Cena. Could you imagine the heat?...
Roman turning heel?

No...I'm afraid I can't imagine that.
 

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Yeah, I’m in the same boat: shocked Cena vs Roman wasn’t a mania main event. Honestly, I would’ve liked that better than Roman vs Brock again. I think Cena would’ve put on a good showing, especially in the main event. What would’ve been cool though is if Roman turned heel in the main event to beat Cena. Could you imagine the heat?...
I damn sure would have wanted to see Cena vs Reigns at WM instead of Reigns vs Lesnar again...

The only way I think they can book it as a dream match now is if they have Cena beat Reigns at Summer Slam or Survivor Series.

Then they have a 3rd match at a WrestleMania to give Roman a redemption angle

That's the only way I see it possible now
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Roman turning heel?

No...I'm afraid I can't imagine that.
Believe me you don't want to ..... *Cough* *Cough* Suffering Succotash memories *Cough* *Cough*
 

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I damn sure would have wanted to see Cena vs Reigns at WM instead of Reigns vs Lesnar again...

The only way I think they can book it as a dream match now is if they have Cena beat Reigns at Summer Slam or Survivor Series.

Then they have a 3rd match at a WrestleMania to give Roman a redemption angle

That's the only way I see it possible now
Can we just not have Reigns in a Wrestlemania main event ever again?

I mean he had four in a row with the crowd basically hating each match...
Well...that's not fair. The Wrestlemania 31 main event was actually really
solid with Rollins' cash in elevating it to another level.

I'll be surprised if Reigns ever gets that spot again...mainly due to the fact
the WWE is so scared right now that whatever fan support he has will be
flushed down the toilet as soon as they start "pushing" him again.

Hence why he's basically been in the mid-card since his clean bill of health
return...of course he's kept pinning everyone...but I mean his pay per view
matches haven't exactly been "Top Card" material.

Hell...he didn't even have a match at SummerSlam...which was surprising.
 

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Can we just not have Reigns in a Wrestlemania main event ever again?

I mean he had four in a row with the crowd basically hating each match...
Well...that's not fair. The Wrestlemania 31 main event was actually really
solid with Rollins' cash in elevating it to another level.

I'll be surprised if Reigns ever gets that spot again...mainly due to the fact
the WWE is so scared right now that whatever fan support he has will be
flushed down the toilet as soon as they start "pushing" him again.

Hence why he's basically been in the mid-card since his clean bill of health
return...of course he's kept pinning everyone...but I mean his pay per view
matches haven't exactly been "Top Card" material.

Hell...he didn't even have a match at SummerSlam...which was surprising.
I just said it because there is just the feel, rumor, and theory of Roman Reigns returning to being The Guy next year

I understand where you are coming from, but knowing Vince by now everything the fans wants go through one ear out the other.

So it just seems obvious that Roman will be Main Eventing Mania after Mania again...
 
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Roman turning heel?

No...I'm afraid I can't imagine that.
I mean like especially in that kind of match setting. Main event, back and forth, Roman can’t beat Cena, so he takes a chair when the ref is down and bashed the shit out of him. Spear. Matches is over. He leaves the crowd with a grin on his face and music playing. I would actually kind of like Roman then.
 

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I mean like especially in that kind of match setting. Main event, back and forth, Roman can’t beat Cena, so he takes a chair when the ref is down and bashed the shit out of him. Spear. Matches is over. He leaves the crowd with a grin on his face and music playing. I would actually kind of like Roman then.
Damn..... You want us to make a petition for you to get signed to WWE to book a Cena vs Reigns WM match ?

But knowing WWE they would probably give it a "Roman's dark side is taking over" angle

and after beating Cena he has an After School Special handshake with him turning him Face again
 
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I would honestly rather see Cena main event for a decade and get 20 world gold then to watch Roman’s monster push for a year. Cena is a damn good wrestler, full package, possibly in top 10 all time greats. And Roman is just Roman, glorified mid-carder who is on the skill level of one Jack Swagger
 
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I mean like especially in that kind of match setting. Main event, back and forth, Roman can’t beat Cena, so he takes a chair when the ref is down and bashed the shit out of him. Spear. Matches is over. He leaves the crowd with a grin on his face and music playing. I would actually kind of like Roman then.
Oh I agree...

It would be great to see...

But the WWE is never going to do anything like that.
 

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I just said it because there is just the feel, rumor, and theory of Roman Reigns returning to being The Guy next year

I understand where you are coming from, but knowing Vince by now everything the fans wants go through one ear out the other.

So it just seems obvious that Roman will be Main Eventing Mania after Mania again...
Probably...

Its all part of a larger plan...

Keep Reigns in the mid-card for the bulk of year
& then elevate him heading into Rumble/Mania
season while hoping the fans don't turn on him
again.

Maybe Vince will try & give him another Rumble
victory? Nothing would surprise me at this point.

Vince is an out of touch old man who is set in
his ways & won't listen to reason.

I just find it so sad that the only way Reigns
could get over as a face was to defeat a life
threatening illness.

I actually feel sorry for Roman...

There is a lot to like about the guy...

He can work a solid match, has a good look,
will take plenty of bumps & is clearly dedicated
to the WWE...which I can respect...

HOWEVER...

He's boring, over pushed & horribly miscast
as the "Face of the Company"

"Silent Assassin/Enforcer" Roman Reigns
would have been perfect...BUT...Vince had
other ideas.

:idk3:

What can you do?

Oh...I know...

Watch AEW instead!

:thumbsup:
 

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If we are gonna talk about Roman Reigns having a heel turn, then one must mention The Raw After Wrestlemania when Roman defeated The Undertaker.

The heat roman had that night was absolutely nuclear, unreal and the last time ive EVER seen someone get that level of hatred was ECW One Night Stand with John Cena VS RVD, that crowd hated John to such a crazy level.

Imagine, Roman just beat the deadman the crowds hating on him so much he cant speak. Now just imagine he rubs it in their faces bashes the deadman and full on turns heel and just rubs it in like salt in the wound, the heat would go from Nuclear to the SUN ITSELF, and it would probably be one of the all time great heel turns in history.
 

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Have a feeling that Roman will be top dog again next year. They did the same thing with Cena in 2012. They let punk have his time in the spotlight while Cena had some feuds and title matches but nothing major.

I have feeling reigns is in a similar spot right now. Let’s test Seth and build him and then put the belt back on Roman later.
 

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If we are gonna talk about Roman Reigns having a heel turn, then one must mention The Raw After Wrestlemania when Roman defeated The Undertaker.

The heat roman had that night was absolutely nuclear, unreal and the last time ive EVER seen someone get that level of hatred was ECW One Night Stand with John Cena VS RVD, that crowd hated John to such a crazy level.

Imagine, Roman just beat the deadman the crowds hating on him so much he cant speak. Now just imagine he rubs it in their faces bashes the deadman and full on turns heel and just rubs it in like salt in the wound, the heat would go from Nuclear to the SUN ITSELF, and it would probably be one of the all time great heel turns in history.
Dude...there have been so many "Perfect" moments
for a Reigns heel turn...but the WWE has never taken
advantage of any of them.

People just need to realize it ain't happening...and even
if it does...it will probably be so late in his career that any
true impact that could have been made will be long dead.

I have feeling reigns is in a similar spot right now. Let’s test Seth and build him and then put the belt back on Roman later.
Part of me believes the WWE will actually build the Fiend
up to have him defeated by Roman.

I mean that's what you do in wrestling isn't it?

Build up a Monster to have a "Hero" slay them...

I kind of hope the WWE does that...just to read/see
the reactions of the fans.
 

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Part of me believes the WWE will actually build the Fiend
up to have him defeated by Roman.

I mean that's what you do in wrestling isn't it?

Build up a Monster to have a "Hero" slay them...

I kind of hope the WWE does that...just to read/see
the reactions of the fans.
To be honest I thought he was going to be the first to beat The Demon King

What would be extremely horrible is if Vince served him The Demon and The Fiend on a Silver Platter to beat


Also they can even turn Roman Heel now. He can pull a turn mentioning how screwed up it was for Cancer to be the reason they cheer him.....

It can be as simple as that
 

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Part of me believes the WWE will actually build the Fiend
up to have him defeated by Roman.
Oh..i didnt know you can enter peopels nightmares and see them! get out of my head! lol

Ya know, not to go too off topic, but i had a realization about you and not liking Brays current gimmick. And you can correct me if im wrong.

The beautiful thing about it, is you dont hate it because its bad, you dont hate it because the writing is bad, or Brays performance is bad, or any of that stuff.

You hate it, simply because its just not your thing, you dont care for the mask and character, not because its bad or not done well, but just because creativly your just not a fan of it.

That should always be the ONLY reason you or anyone doesnt like a character, but instead people hate alot of characters through no fault of their own, thanks to terrible writing and restricted in ring work, but Bray he can say what he wants and he does it well. You have said it yourself you like Bray, just not the direction he went with his character.

If only the same could be said for other characters, that they were liked or not liked based on personal preference, not being objectively bad with terrible writing and in ring work being restricted, like Roman to tie this back in, he was fine with the shield...remember the Royal Rumble before WrestleMania 30? when Batista came back? Roman was over! he got tons of eliminations and everyone wanted him to win! if there was EVER a time that was it! but instead batista won and everyone was mad.
 
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You hate it, simply because its just not your thing, you don't care for the mask and character, not because its bad or not done well, but just because creatively your just not a fan of it.
Too be honest my main issue is the mask design itself...
its just so...meh to me. But you are basically 100% on
the money.

Bray is still one of my favorite performers...despite the
cheating on his wife & his terrible win/loss record...but
this entire Firefly Funhouse/Fiend gimmick does nothing
for me.

I think it would have been perfect for someone new...
but I guess I was such a Wyatt Family "mark" everything
else just feels wrong or off to me.

If only the same could be said for other characters, that they were liked or not liked based on personal preference, not being objectively bad with terrible writing and in ring work being restricted, like Roman to tie this back in, he was fine with the shield...remember the Royal Rumble before WrestleMania 30? when Batista came back? Roman was over! he got tons of eliminations and everyone wanted him to win! if there was EVER a time that was it! but instead batista won and everyone was mad.
If the WWE had simply taken their time & built Reigns
up as a singles wrestler...I think it could have worked.

Instead of rushing him to the top (when he clearly wasn't
ready) for Wrestlemania 31...a slow, calculated push with
a solid mid-card title reign over the course of a year & then
you pull the trigger at Wrestlemania 32...that would have
worked.

Let the fans have Lesnar/Bryan at Wrestlemania 31 &
have Reigns win the I.C title ladder match, hold the I.C
title for 9 months, silently & stoically defending it every
week...build the guy up with solid matches...hell...give
him an undefeated streak if you want...just build him up
slowly & surely.

In saying that...I don't believe Reigns has the character or
charisma to be "The Guy" & I don't think better writing will
change that.

Like I said...the "Silent Assassin/Enforcer" role would have
been perfect for Reigns...especially if he turned & was hired
(like a mercenary) by The Authority/McMahons...but...they
decided to cast him as "Cena 2.0" & a lot of damage was
done early with those terrible, cringe inducing promos.

Like I said...I don't personally hate Reigns...I just hate how
he is booked.
 
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To me he would have been better with a New Age Samoan Goldberg Persona.

So when he faces Lesnar it will look like he would have a fighting chance

But they booked him as a Low Budget John Cena 2.0 with a SWAT appearence

No disrespect to John but they got so addicted to Cena's gimmick, image, and draw they cannot come up with something new for this day and age
 

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This thread is heading way off topic now but I gotta ask:

Which face should beat The Fiend? An established star, or somebody they are going to push?

Face Aleister Black would be my choice. But it shouldn't happen until some time next year.
 
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Oh..i didnt know you can enter peoples nightmares and see them! get out of my head! lol
Hey...better your nightmares than mine...which basically all
involve me being whipped & tortured by Charlotte & Lacey.

Oh wait...those aren't nightmares...

🤪

This thread is heading way off topic now but I gotta ask:

Which face should beat The Fiend? An established star, or somebody they are going to push?

Face Aleister Black would be my choice. But it shouldn't happen until some time next year.
I want to see The Fiend, Demon Balor & Aleister Black together
in a faction that takes over the WWE. Maybe even add the War
Raiders as the muscle...or even Harper & Rowan for old time sake.
 
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