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Osprey and his constant high spots can suck it, slow your roll Osprey this aint a gymnastic floor routine and a high wire circus, slow ya roll.
Calm down there Kasum E. Cornette. Either you're just relying on something you heard from a critic without watching a match, or you saw a couple of gifs and that's it.

Frankly, Will Ospreay is one of my favourite wrestlers going right now because he isn't just a "high-spots" guy. His two most recent matches against Shingo Takagi and Dragon Lee both were matches of the year contenders and he can mix his athletic moves with a story. Especially now that he's rounding his game. He doesn't even refer to himself as the "Aerial Assassin" anymore. Like one example of a match which he really toned himself down was actually last year at Dominion against Hiromu Takahashi. It was a match he was very subdued in his high-flying and wrestled a more power-based game. That's kind of also why he's added moves like the Hidden Blade Elbow and the Stormbreaker into his move-set. The hidden blade is a back elbow strike and the Stormbreaker is a power based move. Both are like key moves in his move-set now, with the Stormbreaker being his main finisher now.

Of course, he earned the high spot reputation with his decisive match with Ricochet a few years ago. But I believe he's worked hard to prove he's more than that. High-flying is still a part of his game, but it isn't the only thing he relies on and I think he knows personally to help the longevity of his career while still being exciting, he has to round his game more and he has and considering the fact that Kenny Omega hasn't wrestled as much this year, may be one of the best performers on the planet right now.
 
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Here is all the matches for G1
Night 1 (July 6, Dallas - A Block)

Lance Archer vs. Will Ospreay
Bad Luck Fale vs. EVIL
SANADA vs. Zack Sabre, Jr.
KENTA vs. Kota Ibushi
Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kazuchika Okada

Night 2 (July 13, Tokyo - B Block)

Juice Robinson vs. Shingo Takagi
Tetsuya Naito vs. Toru Yano
Jeff Cobb vs. Tomohiro Ishii
Hirooki Goto vs. “Switchblade” Jay White
Jon Moxley vs. Taichi

Night 3 (July 14, Tokyo - A Block)

SANADA vs. Will Ospreay
Kazuchika Okada vs. Zack Sabre, Jr.
EVIL vs. Kota Ibushi
Bad Luck Fale vs. Lance Archer
Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. KENTA

Night 4 (July 15, Sapporo - B Block)

Shingo Takagi vs. Toru Yano
Hirooki Goto vs. Juice Robinson
”Switchblade” Jay White vs. Tomohiro Ishii
Jeff Cobb vs. Jon Moxley
Taichi vs. Tetsuya Naito

Night 5 (July 18, Tokyo - A Block)

KENTA vs. Lance Archer
Bad Luck Fale vs. Kazuchika Okada
Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Zack Sabre, Jr.
EVIL vs. SANADA
Kota Ibushi vs. Will Ospreay

Night 6 (July 19, Tokyo - B Block)

Jeff Cobb vs. Juice Robinson
”Switchblade” Jay White vs. Toru Yano
Hirooki Goto vs. Tetsuya Naito
Shingo Takagi vs. Taichi
Jon Moxley vs. Tomohiro Ishii

Night 7 (July 20, Tokyo - A Block)

Bad Luck Fale vs. Zack Sabre, Jr.
Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Lance Archer
Kota Ibushi vs. SANADA
EVIL vs. KENTA
Kazuchika Okada vs. Will Ospreay

Night 8 (July 24, Hiroshima - B Block)

Juice Robinson vs. Toru Yano
Hirooki Goto vs. Taichi
”Switchblade” Jay White vs. Jeff Cobb
Jon Moxley vs. Shingo Takagi
Tetsuya Naito vs. Tomohiro Ishii

Night 9 (July 27, Nagoya - A Block)

Kota Ibushi vs. Lance Archer
Bad Luck Fale vs. Will Ospreay
EVIL vs. Zack Sabre, Jr.
Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. SANADA
Kazuchika Okada vs. KENTA

Night 10 (July 28, Nagoya - B Block)

Juice Robinson vs. Tomohiro Ishii
Jeff Cobb vs. Taichi
”Switchblade” Jay White vs. Shingo Takagi
Hirooki Goto vs. Toru Yano
Jon Moxley vs. Tetsuya Naito

Night 11 (July 30, Takamatsu - A Block)

Bad Luck Fale vs. Kota Ibushi
Kazuchika Okada vs. Lance Archer
EVIL vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi
Will Ospreay vs. Zack Sabre, Jr.
KENTA vs. SANADA

Night 12 (August 1, Fukuoka - B Block)

Jeff Cobb vs. Shingo Takagi
Juice Robinson vs. Tetsuya Naito
Hirooki Goto vs. Tomohiro Ishii
Jon Moxley vs. Toru Yano
”Switchblade” Jay White vs. Taichi

Night 13 (August 3, Osaka - A Block)

Bad Luck Fale vs. KENTA
Lance Archer vs. Zack Sabre, Jr.
EVIL vs. Will Ospreay
Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kota Ibushi
Kazuchika Okada vs. SANADA

Night 14 (August 4, Osaka - B Block)

Tomohiro Ishii vs. Toru Yano
Juice Robinson vs. Taichi
Hirooki Goto vs. Jeff Cobb
”Switchblade” Jay White vs. Jon Moxley
Shingo Takagi vs. Tetsuya Naito

Night 15 (August 7, Shizuoka - A Block)

Lance Archer vs. SANADA
Bad Luck Fale vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi
Kota Ibushi vs. Zack Sabre, Jr.
KENTA vs. Will Ospreay
EVIL vs. Kazuchika Okada

Night 16 (August 8, Yokohama - B Block)

Jeff Cobb vs. Tetsuya Naito
Hirooki Goto vs. Jon Moxley
”Switchblade” Jay White vs. Juice Robinson
Taichi vs. Toru Yano
Shingo Takagi vs. Tomohiro Ishii

Night 17 (August 10, Tokyo - A Block)

KENTA vs. Zack Sabre, Jr.
EVIL vs. Lance Archer
Bad Luck Fale vs. SANADA
Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Will Ospreay
Kazuchika Okada vs. Kota Ibushi

Night 18 (August 11, Tokyo - B Block)

Taichi vs. Tomohiro Ishii
Hirooki Goto vs. Shingo Takagi
Jeff Cobb vs. Toru Yano
Jon Moxley vs. Juice Robinson
”Switchblade” Jay White vs. Tetsuya Naito
 

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Calm down there Kasum E. Cornette. Either you're just relying on something you heard from a critic without watching a match, or you saw a couple of gifs and that's it.

Frankly, Will Ospreay is one of my favourite wrestlers going right now because he isn't just a "high-spots" guy. His two most recent matches against Shingo Takagi and Dragon Lee both were matches of the year contenders and he can mix his athletic moves with a story. Especially now that he's rounding his game. He doesn't even refer to himself as the "Aerial Assassin" anymore. Like one example of a match which he really toned himself down was actually last year at Dominion against Hiromu Takahashi. It was a match he was very subdued in his high-flying and wrestled a more power-based game. That's kind of also why he's added moves like the Hidden Blade Elbow and the Stormbreaker into his move-set. The hidden blade is a back elbow strike and the Stormbreaker is a power based move. Both are like key moves in his move-set now, with the Stormbreaker being his main finisher now.

Of course, he earned the high spot reputation with his decisive match with Ricochet a few years ago. But I believe he's worked hard to prove he's more than that. High-flying is still a part of his game, but it isn't the only thing he relies on and I think he knows personally to help the longevity of his career while still being exciting, he has to round his game more and he has and considering the fact that Kenny Omega hasn't wrestled as much this year, may be one of the best performers on the planet right now.
Seen Osprey many times.
I agree with Corny!
However I will say you are partially correct. He has become more well rounded, to a degree. He is just so bouncy!
He should go to AAA and be a superstar Lucha guy. He could put in a mask and Crush it. I’ll take Puma anyday.
 

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Also, apparently a lot of New Japan people hate working with RoH, so may soon see that partnership go away, which open the door for AEW and New Japan.
ROH has clearly plateaued as the distant #3 right now, so both sides got a lot out of the deal. ROH got star power, and NJPW learned a lot about how to appeal to US fans.

But I'm wondering what benefit there is to either side for an AEW/NJPW partnership. Both sides seem like they'll be just fine creating their own stars/using the ones they have/simply relying on writing better shows.

Part of it is how NJPW seems pretty salty about pushing more gaijin stars after Styles/the Elite left them. Stick to guys like Jay White that trained in the Dojo
 
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ROH has clearly plateaued as the distant #3 right now, so both sides got a lot out of the deal. ROH got star power, and NJPW learned a lot about how to appeal to US fans.

But I'm wondering what benefit there is to either side for an AEW/NJPW partnership. Both sides seem like they'll be just fine creating their own stars/using the ones they have/simply relying on writing better shows.

Part of it is how NJPW seems pretty salty about pushing more gaijin stars after Styles/the Elite left them. Stick to guys like Jay White that trained in the Dojo
That they did. Both sides benefited, but as of late RoH has been doing things that New Japan isn't too fond of, for example, signing nZo and CazzXL and their whole stunt.

If New Japan begins working with AEW they will have a semi-permanent stake in the United States. As AEW will have a regular TV show and would reach more people Statewide, you know. As well New Japan can use as a showcase as FMW did with ECW, AAA did WCW, and so forth.

Not really, but I can see how that would seem. They haven't pushed any Gaijins because none of them have appealed to the audience except for Juice though like you said about Jay he was trained by them. The thing with The Bucks is that they think they are the best tag team around and that is just false on several accounts.

So New Japan working with AEW would be a good thing as they more view Statewide and such.
 

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Also, the reason why Jon isn't going to be at the G1 opener in Dallas is because of his contract with AEW that says he can't work for another promotion in the United States or something on that line.
That's actually a good point.
AEW have exclusive contracts for American companies, but Khan allows and even endorses the talent to work internationally. To make up for the lack of house show revenue. So you're going to allow NJPW to use your talent but you won't use there's? (Though they are using CMLL, OWE talent)

Idk. It sounds weird to wonder about making a deal with a bigger company because, on paper, why not? But maybe it is that simple
 

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According to Dave Meltzer, AEW blocked Jon Moxley from appearing in the NJPW G1 in Dallas as they retain his rights to appear in other promotions. Moxley can wrestle in the smaller New Japan shows and American indy promotions but don't want him on TV under another promotion's banner.

 
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That's actually a good point.
AEW have exclusive contracts for American companies, but Khan allows and even endorses the talent to work internationally. To make up for the lack of house show revenue. So you're going to allow NJPW to use your talent but you won't use there's? (Though they are using CMLL, OWE talent)

Idk. It sounds weird to wonder about making a deal with a bigger company because, on paper, why not? But maybe it is that simple
They are using AAA not CMLL.
According to Dave Meltzer, AEW blocked Jon Moxley from appearing in the NJPW G1 in Dallas as they retain his rights to appear in other promotions. Moxley can wrestle in the smaller New Japan shows and American indy promotions but don't want him on TV under another promotion's banner.

Thank you for this
 

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I watched the NEVER Openweight title match between Taichi and Tomohiro Ishii at NJPW Dominion. It's good booking (and respectful) for the Champion Taichi to appear second in the ring entrance. Too often in pro wrestling to get the crowd pumped up, the heel champion appears to the walkway first and the babyface comes to the ring second to the sound of a deafening crowd.
 

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Tetsuya Naito vs. Kota Ibushi for Ibushi's IWGP Intercontinental Championship at Dominion. I was rooting for Ibushi to retain his title against Naito. Naito's schtick of holding the Intercontinental title with disdain, kicking the Intercontinental title around and couldn't buy groceries with the belt is getting stale.

The commentators say Naito holds the title in low regard because he's still pissed off over being upstaged in Wrestle Kingdom 8, where the Intercontinental title match between Hiroshi Tanahashi and Shinsuke Nakamura was the main event while the World title match between him and Kazuchika Okada was moved further down the card. Wrestle Kingdom 8 was in 2014 and it's 2019 now. There's a difference between being legitimately bitter and just being obsessive compulsive and, with the way they're booking Naito, it's looking like the latter.
 
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What a win for Sanada in the G1 Climax! He defeated Zack Sabre Jr. In one dramatic sequence, Zack caught Sanada in the Manji-Gatame for several minutes and it looked like Sanada wasn't going to be able to get to the ropes and it was going to be another submission win for Zack. But Sanada was able to put his foot on the ropes to force Zack to break the hold.
 
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What a win for Sanada in the G1 Climax! He defeated Zack Sabre Jr. In one dramatic sequence, Zack caught Sanada in the Manji-Gatame for several minutes and it looked like Sanada wasn't going to be able to get to the ropes and it was going to be another submission win for Zack. But Sanada was able to put his foot on the ropes to force Zack to break the hold.
Hey man, not to be mean, but I am doing a rate thread for day/night 1 of the G1 and it will be posted after the show is over. So feel free to post your thoughts over there when it is posted. Thank you. Also, would you mine putting what you said in a Spoiler tag since it kind of is? Thank you, and I hope you understand.
 

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