Survivor Series Update: Drew Mcintyre vs Roman Reigns Survivor Series

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Even tho this match is a better choice the only reason why this match was made because. Triple H thinks Drew Mcintyre and Roman Reigns can be Rock and Stone Cold Caliber.

Wow. Well I consider that a stretch, but HHH does have a pretty good track record so I will wait and see.
 

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You can never say "The next Stone Cold vs The Rock" this kind of thing have to happen naturally and not be forced.

Agreed. WWE never tried to make Daniel Bryan their popular guy, it just happened. In fact, they were interested in pushing Batista over John Cena and Cena became the bigger star.

Forcing wrestlers to be something and trying to tell the fans how they should feel has never worked. They tried it with the Rock and they tried it with Roman Reigns. Both times it failed when they forced it.
 
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Agreed. WWE never tried to make Daniel Bryan their popular guy, it just happened. In fact, they were interested in pushing Batista over John Cena and Cena became the bigger star.

Forcing wrestlers to be something and trying to tell the fans how they should feel has never worked. They tried it with the Rock and they tried it with Roman Reigns. Both times it failed when they forced it.

Yes, when they say or force things like "the next stone cold, the next the rock, etc" it actually hurts the talent who is doing the work cause it puts him up against the legends from the past, I really don't like when they try to do that.
 
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Yes, when they say or force things like "the next stone cold, the next the rock, etc" it actually hurts the talent who is doing the work cause it puts him up against the legends from the past, I really don't like when they try to do that.

It is actually one of the reasons Hulk Hogan worked well. He wasn't billed as the next anything. He was not compared to Bruno Sammartino, Bob Backlund, Andre the Giant or Billy Graham. They let him be himself and that caught on.
 

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It is actually one of the reasons Hulk Hogan worked well. He wasn't billed as the next anything. He was not compared to Bruno Sammartino, Bob Backlund, Andre the Giant or Billy Graham. They let him be himself and that caught on.
I noticed that whenever Hogan would go and entertain he'd be the most less stressed person out there.

It was because he was getting paid to be Hogan like you said.
 
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I noticed that whenever Hogan would go and entertain he'd be the most less stressed person out there.

It was because he was getting paid to be Hogan like you said.

Agreed, and that pretty much lasted through his entire career. And although I dislike the man personally, his character was never awkward. He was able to use his bombastic personality as a face and easily switched to a cowardly heel in the NWO. It's hard to not respect that.
 

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But what Triple H believes is that he can turn these guys into "Hogan and Flair" or "Rock and Austin"

To me Drew seem to have a better chance of being like HHH. But that's my opinion.
 

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But what Triple H believes is that he can turn these guys into "Hogan and Flair" or "Rock and Austin"

To me Drew seem to have a better chance of being like HHH. But that's my opinion.

That is why I was a bit shocked to hear that. Even though Roman has been meeting his potential lately, is not on the level of the Rock or Austin. McIntyre is a LONG way from being either of them. He lacks charisma that can even come close to comparing to the Rock or Austin.

In NXT, HHH has done a really good job of letting wrestlers develop organically. To think he is trying to say anyone is the next This or the next That doesn't make sense given his history.
 
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Really early in HHH's career, people said he would be the next Ric Flair. As Terra Ryzing, he even used the reverse figure four as his finishing move. And even after that, they had this idea to try to make him like Regal, a blue blood.

That didn't work. Letting HHH being the perverted locker room horny guy that he may have been was the right idea. And THAT overtook his previous identities. So if anyone knows that a character should be true to the person playing it, it is HHH.
 
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That is why I was a bit shocked to hear that. Even though Roman has been meeting his potential lately, is not on the level of the Rock or Austin. McIntyre is a LONG way from being either of them. He lacks charisma that can even come close to comparing to the Rock or Austin.

In NXT, HHH has done a really good job of letting wrestlers develop organically. To think he is trying to say anyone is the next This or the next That doesn't make sense given his history.

Really early in HHH's career, people said he would be the next Ric Flair. As Terra Ryzing, he even used the reverse figure four as his finishing move. And even after that, they had this idea to try to make him like Regal, a blue blood.

That didn't work. Letting HHH being the perverted locker room horny guy that he may have been was the right idea. And THAT overtook his previous identities. So if anyone knows that a character should be true to the person playing it, it is HHH.
You're exactly right! There were some people before the pg era some thought John Cena will be the next Rock.

The dude was booked to be Hogan 2.0 mainly due to wwe turning pg. That wasn't his fault, that was Vince Mcjackass fault
 
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Very few NXT stars have become stars tho.
Roman, Rollins, Ambrose, KO, Sami, Drew, Finn, Big E, Bray Wyatt, Daniel Bryan, Bayley, Sasha banks, Shin, Samoa Joe, Asuka, Braun Strowman. I’m sure there’s more, and even though not all of these names are “stars” depending on your definition, they are or were quite a name in the main roster and had their moments or continue to.
 

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Drew and Roman aren’t there yet. Roman is about as close to me liking him as he will ever get, and that’s still nowhere near how much I loved Stone Cold and Rock. The last time I almost like someone as much as those 2 was with Punk.

I think if they let Drew be more chill... let him be Scottish psycho they claim he is. Show his insanity more. People dig that Shit. Let him be him and see how it goes.

Keep the Roman image going and let him beat the rock at mania 37. After this, we will see how much I still like him.

Stone Cold and Rock worked because it was not only organic, but they were mega stars bound to collide. Stone Cold was beloved by all the rock was beloved by all or could easily make you hate him in the best way possible. The roof would literally go off the place anywhere these 2 were. The only other feuds even closely comparable in recent times was Shawn and Taker, DB and Authority, Punk and Cena. To name some I can think of.
Any ways, yeah, I think he’s wrong on this one for now.
 
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Roman, Rollins, Ambrose, KO, Sami, Drew, Finn, Big E, Bray Wyatt, Daniel Bryan, Bayley, Sasha banks, Shin, Samoa Joe, Asuka, Braun Strowman. I’m sure there’s more, and even though not all of these names are “stars” depending on your definition, they are or were quite a name in the main roster and had their moments or continue to.
Rollins fair enough. Cant really count Roman. Ambrose was never apart of nxt. KO isn't a top star unfortunately. Finn Balor going back to NXT is all you need to know. Big E has never gone above the midcard, how is he a star? Wyatt is fair enough. Let's not count nxt in 2010 because triple h was not manning the ship. Bayley and Sasha sure they got there eventually, cant help but feel that they have to use them because of the absence of bigger stars. Shin, Drew, Joe and Asuka were already established stars elsewhere, to say triple h was right about them is ridiculous. Braun Strowman neve was on nxt so really made himself under the wing of McMahon . So that's 4 Seth, Wyatt, Bayley and Sasha. Not a great success rate

Edit- Charlotte and Becky are much bigger stars and they were from NXT so count them.
 
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Drew and Roman aren’t there yet. Roman is about as close to me liking him as he will ever get, and that’s still nowhere near how much I loved Stone Cold and Rock. The last time I almost like someone as much as those 2 was with Punk.

I think if they let Drew be more chill... let him be Scottish psycho they claim he is. Show his insanity more. People dig that Shit. Let him be him and see how it goes.

Keep the Roman image going and let him beat the rock at mania 37. After this, we will see how much I still like him.

Stone Cold and Rock worked because it was not only organic, but they were mega stars bound to collide. Stone Cold was beloved by all the rock was beloved by all or could easily make you hate him in the best way possible. The roof would literally go off the place anywhere these 2 were. The only other feuds even closely comparable in recent times was Shawn and Taker, DB and Authority, Punk and Cena. To name some I can think of.
Any ways, yeah, I think he’s wrong on this one for now.
I would count Cena vs Rock WM 28 as a through the roof rivalry but some would say Vince ruined that with the rematch
 
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Rollins fair enough. Cant really count Roman. Ambrose was never apart of nxt. KO isn't a top star unfortunately. Finn Balor going back to NXT is all you need to know. Big E has never gone above the midcard, how is he a star? Wyatt is fair enough. Let's not count nxt in 2010 because triple h was not manning the ship. Bayley and Sasha sure they got there eventually, cant help but feel that they have to use them because of the absence of bigger stars. Shin, Drew, Joe and Asuka were already established stars elsewhere, to say triple h was right about them is ridiculous. Braun Strowman neve was on nxt so really made himself under the wing of McMahon . So that's 4 Seth, Wyatt, Bayley and Sasha. Not a great success rate

Edit- Charlotte and Becky are much bigger stars and they were from NXT so count them.
I think the point is that triple H takes stars whether they were big elsewhere or not, and has helped them be successful in WWE. You can be successful elsewhere and that can mean jack shit when you come to WWE. I think Triple H overall has done a great job getting talent into the main roster and successful.

I’m not gonna go back and forth on some of the stars as i disagree with them not being “stars,” but Braun trained at the performance center for 2 years and was on untelivsed NXT matches for a while before going to WWE main roster.

Yeah, that’s why I said I’m sure I’m missing more.
 
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I think the point is that triple H takes stars whether they were big elsewhere or not, and has helped them be successful in WWE. You can be successful elsewhere and that can mean jack shit when you come to WWE. I think Triple H overall has done a great job getting talent into the main roster and successful.

I’m not gonna go back and forth on some of the stars as i disagree with them not being “stars,” but Braun trained at the performance center for 2 years and was on untelivsed NXT matches for a while before going to WWE main roster.

Yeah, that’s why I said I’m sure I’m missing more.
There's alot of nxt failures but that may not be HHH fault.
 
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