WCW should've won the war!

Who would you rather won the war?

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Just to let you know I had to look up a video for that and still have no clue what the shell it is. I just heard of the alternative universe thing from Owlman on Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths. Trust me, you know me, dorkasaurs.
Off Topic: I am just being silly. The many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics is a theory that tries to explain that wavefunction doesn't collapse, it's universal. So if it's universal, it can be interpreted to say that every single possibility in history has happened in possibly an infinite number of universes. But the very crux of the many world interpretation is that if you believe it is true, then you have to deny wavefunction collapse and theorize that wavefunction is universal. Hence my lame joke :emoji_slight_smile:
 
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At one point? Not at all. They did a series of stupid things over and over again.

And please cut out the caps. You know it's rude.
WHY WHAT EVER DO YOU MEAN?! ...I'M JUST VERY EXCITED TO SEE YOU TODAY!

But no... at one point ...other points WCW was amazing.

WWE has been shite for years and doesn't ever change. The only watchable programming they had was due to somebody else lol it's sucked since then.

Vince McMahon is an evil, overrated promoter. He's not a genius, he's a dipshit
 

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Off Topic: I am just being silly. The many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics is a theory that tries to explain that wavefunction doesn't collapse, it's universal. So if it's universal, it can be interpreted to say that every single possibility in history has happened in possibly an infinite number of universes. But the very crux of the many world interpretation is that if you believe it is true, then you have to deny wavefunction collapse and theorize that wavefunction is universal. Hence my lame joke :emoji_slight_smile:
What a dork, lol.
 

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Just to let you know I had to look up a video for that and still have no clue what the shell it is. I just heard of the alternative universe thing from Owlman on Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths. Trust me, you know me, dorkasaurs.
Off Topic: I am just being silly. The many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics is a theory that tries to explain that wavefunction doesn't collapse, it's universal. So if it's universal, it can be interpreted to say that every single possibility in history has happened in possibly an infinite number of universes. But the very crux of the many world interpretation is that if you believe it is true, then you have to deny wavefunction collapse and theorize that wavefunction is universal. Hence my lame joke :emoji_slight_smile:
 
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At one point? Not at all. They did a series of stupid things over and over again.

And please cut out the caps. You know it's rude.
WHY WHAT EVER DO YOU MEAN?! ...I'M JUST VERY EXCITED TO SEE YOU TODAY!

But no... at one point ...other points WCW was amazing.

WWE has been shite for years and doesn't ever change. The only watchable programming they had was due to somebody else lol it's sucked since then.

Vince McMahon is an evil, overrated promoter. He's not a genius, he's a dipshit
 

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WHY WHAT EVER DO YOU MEAN?! ...I'M JUST VERY EXCITED TO SEE YOU TODAY!

But no... at one point ...other points WCW was amazing.

WWE has been sh*te for years and doesn't ever change. The only watchable programming they had was due to somebody else lol it's sucked since then.

Vince McMahon is an evil, overrated promoter. He's not a genius, he's a dipshit
lol I'm glad you didn't take me seriously there haha After I posted that I thought "Oh shit, what if he thinks I really care about the caps!" Then I thought, "Oh who gives a care, I have scary moderator powers" and I laughed evilly. For the record, I don't care about the caps :emoji_slight_smile:

And you're absolutely right. WCW was pretty amazing at certain times. When Ric Flair returned, it got better for about two years. It slumped when Hogan first showed up, but when Nitro came on the air, it beat WWF for 82 weeks because it was BETTER than WWF. Absolutely. But they made a lot of mistakes after Starrcade 97 and they went down the toilet.
 

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WCW dies because of a LOT of stupid mistakes. They offered guaranteed contracts for more money than they should have just so they could get wrestlers from WWF
That's not why WCW died... that's how WCW beat WWE 84 weeks in a row!

Ted Turner was never going to run out of money, that's why he let them do that. That's why he ever had that money in the first place, that's why he is as successful as he is, this is not a stupid person lol.

WCW decided to end it because of their merger of AOL/Time Warner or else it would still be here. It was just more of a priority to him, not that he needed it either. If he liked wrestling more he could've easily stuck around but it was a side project for him & he said fck it. Ted had no fear of Vince ever making him run out of funds or a Network to show his content on.
 
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g at certain times. When Ric Flair returned, it got better for about two years. It slumped when Hogan first showed up, but when Nitro came on the air, it beat WWF for 82 weeks because it was BETTER than WWF. Absolutely. But they made a lot of mistakes after Starrcade 97
Of course they did... everybody knows they sucked then but I WWE always F(_)CKING SUCKS! ...lol just sayin, just sayin. Vince McMahon's a knob
 

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That's not why WCW died... that's how WCW beat WWE 84 weeks in a row!

Ted Turner was never going to run out of money, that's why he let them do that. That's why he ever had that money in the first place, that's why he is as successful as he is, this is not a stupid person lol.

WCW decided to end it because of their merger of AOL/Time Warner or else it would still be here. Ted had no fear of Vince ever making him run out of funds or a Network to show his content on.
Yeah, it is how they beat WCW for 84 weeks. But it is also why they died. Guaranteed contracts had to be paid whether the wrestlers were working or not. There's no way out of it. They promised a LOT of money to these wrestlers and it paid off in the short run. However, because Bischoff was so obsessed with the Monday Night Ratings, the PPV buy rates suffered. And they went from making 80 million profit a year to losing that much a year. And there was nothing they could do about it because they couldn't fire wrestlers and not pay them because the contracts were guaranteed.

You cannot say that the only reason WCW died was the AOL/Time Warner merger. If WCW were making the kind of money they were making at the height of the Monday Night War, they would not have been cancelled. But they became a money pit and a liability because they were losing tons of money. Ted Turner protected them before the merger because he felt a loyalty to WCW, so it continued even though it was losing money. But it was the many, many stupid mistakes by Russo and Bischoff and Hogan that made the show boring, repetitive and uncreative that made the ratings drop and PPV buy rates drop. They lost a LOT of money and that is why they were cancelled.

If you got your information from WWE produced documentaries, I suggest you read "The Death of WCW" which goes on a week by week study of WCW during the war, giving all ratings and PPV buy rates and they explain quite well why WCW died. The AOL/Time Warner merger was just the decision to cancel it. And that decision was based off the fact that WCW was awful, getting horrible ratings and losing 10s of millions of dollars ever year. That is why it died.

Would WCW still be alive if the merger never happened? No one really knows that. If Bischoff and his group succeeded in buying it, there was no guarantee it would have gotten better. We really don't know what would have happened. Honestly, I think Bischoff proved to be an incompetent business man who mortgaged the future to get results in the present. His incompetence, coupled with the wrestlers creative control and stupid confusing booking and repetitive and boring story lines killed WCW. And that's pretty factual whether you want to accept it or not. I do not believe if Fusient had purchased WCW, I am sure Bischoff's incompetence would have led to an eventual cancellation. Fusient didn't have the finances to sign big contracts because they didn't have Ted Turners money and the ONLY thing Bischoff ever did was sign people to huge contracts.

So undoubtedly, in my viewpoint, WCW would be dead regardless of the merger. The only thing that could have saved WCW was if Hogan put his massive and stupid ego aside and agreed to have Sting beat the hell out of him at Starrcade, thus giving the fans exactly what they had been expecting for 18 months. But no, even though Hogan claimed he didn't use his creative control clause, it's obvious he did. BIschoff claimed he didn't have Sting destroy Hogan because Sting was out of shape... which was utterly stupid and utterly bull crap. Sting was in amazing shape at the time and even if he wasn't, it didn't matter. Sting's shape didn't affect the fact that he could beat down the entire NWO on a weekly basis without getting hurt by anything. It was Hogan not wanting to look weak because that is the ONLY rational explanation as to why that match got so messed up.

So they pissed their fans off. And they kept doing it after that. They kept pissing them off and doing dumb things like Nash beating Goldberg for the belt and the finger poke of doom. It was a downward spiral. I have no doubt WCW would be dead unless Ted Turner would have bought it back, which I don't think he could have legally done since he was the biggest share holder in AOL Time Warner (I am not sure on that).

I look forward to scoring another disagree from you :emoji_stuck_out_tongue:
 

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Of course they did... everybody knows they sucked then but I WWE always F(_)CKING SUCKS! ...lol just sayin, just sayin. Vince McMahon's a knob
Yeah, it is how they beat WCW for 84 weeks. But it is also why they died. Guaranteed contracts had to be paid whether the wrestlers were working or not. There's no way out of it. They promised a LOT of money to these wrestlers and it paid off in the short run. However, because Bischoff was so obsessed with the Monday Night Ratings, the PPV buy rates suffered. And they went from making 80 million profit a year to losing that much a year. And there was nothing they could do about it because they couldn't fire wrestlers and not pay them because the contracts were guaranteed.

You cannot say that the only reason WCW died was the AOL/Time Warner merger. If WCW were making the kind of money they were making at the height of the Monday Night War, they would not have been cancelled. But they became a money pit and a liability because they were losing tons of money. Ted Turner protected them before the merger because he felt a loyalty to WCW, so it continued even though it was losing money. But it was the many, many stupid mistakes by Russo and Bischoff and Hogan that made the show boring, repetitive and uncreative that made the ratings drop and PPV buy rates drop. They lost a LOT of money and that is why they were cancelled.

If you got your information from WWE produced documentaries, I suggest you read "The Death of WCW" which goes on a week by week study of WCW during the war, giving all ratings and PPV buy rates and they explain quite well why WCW died. The AOL/Time Warner merger was just the decision to cancel it. And that decision was based off the fact that WCW was awful, getting horrible ratings and losing 10s of thousands of dollars ever year. That is why it died.

Would WCW still be alive if the merger never happened? No one really knows that. If Bischoff and his group succeeded in buying it, there was no guarantee it would have gotten better. We really don't know what would have happened. Honestly, I think Bischoff proved to be an incompetent business man who mortgaged the future to get results in the present. His incompetence, coupled with the wrestlers creative control and stupid confusing booking and repetitive and boring story lines killed WCW. And that's pretty factual whether you want to accept it or not. I do not believe if Fusient had purchased WCW, I am sure Bischoff's incompetence would have led to an eventual cancellation. Fusient didn't have the finances to sign big contracts because they didn't have Ted Turners money and the ONLY thing Bischoff ever did was sign people to huge contracts.

So undoubtedly, in my viewpoint, WCW would be dead regardless of the merger. The only thing that could have saved WCW was if Hogan put his massive and stupid ego aside and agreed to have Sting beat the hell out of him at Starrcade, thus giving the fans exactly what they had been expecting for 18 months. But no, even though Hogan claimed he didn't use his creative control clause, it's obvious he did. BIschoff claimed he didn't have Sting destroy Hogan because Sting was out of shape... which was utterly stupid and utterly bull crap. Sting was in amazing shape at the time and even if he wasn't, it didn't matter. Sting's shape didn't affect the fact that he could beat down the entire NWO on a weekly basis without getting hurt by anything. It was Hogan not wanting to look weak because that is the ONLY rational explanation as to why that match got so messed up.

So they pissed their fans off. And they kept doing it after that. They kept pissing them off and doing dumb things like Nash beating Goldberg for the belt and the finger poke of doom. It was a downward spiral. I have no doubt WCW would be dead unless Ted Turner would have bought it back, which I don't think he could have legally done since he was the biggest share holder in AOL Time Warner (I am not sure on that).

I look forward to scoring another disagree from you :emoji_stuck_out_tongue:
I'm not trying to be an a** or anything but you guys debate is about as epic as the Shawn Michaels and Undertaker rivalry. You both made pretty valid points. We should take it down a peg I just don't want this to get out of hand.
 

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I'm not trying to be an a** or anything but you guys debate is about as epic as the Shawn Michaels and Undertaker rivalry. You both made pretty valid points. I just don't want this to get out of hand.
It's not going to get out of hand. If it does, I'm a mod. I'll issue myself warning points.

I am not arguing with Moe in a bad way and I doubt he's arguing with me in a bad way. We're just having a little fun and having a somewhat intellectual debate about wrestling. Moe's a good guy.
 

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It's not going to get out of hand. If it does, I'm a mod. I'll issue myself warning points.

I am not arguing with Moe in a bad way and I doubt he's arguing with me in a bad way. We're just having a little fun and having a somewhat intellectual debate about wrestling. Moe's a good guy.
Okay then my bad. :emoji_slight_smile:
 

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It's not going to get out of hand. If it does, I'm a mod. I'll issue myself warning points.

I am not arguing with Moe in a bad way and I doubt he's arguing with me in a bad way. We're just having a little fun and having a somewhat intellectual debate about wrestling. Moe's a good guy.
You're DAMN right I'm a good guy lol... and I'm right too!
 

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They promised a LOT of money to these wrestlers and it paid off in the short run
Because they had it to burn... it was smart. They had funds forever...


However, because Bischoff was so obsessed with the Monday Night Ratings, the PPV buy rates suffered. And they went from making 80 million profit a year to losing that much a year.
Oh I know... but again Ted Turner didn't bat an eyelash! It's nothing to him

Would WCW still be alive if the merger never happened? No one really knows that
If it was, it couldn't be as bad as RAW is right now, never changing, boring BULLSHIT!! lol, I can't calm down because I just watched RAW from this week lol so bad

You cannot say that the only reason WCW died was the AOL/Time Warner merger
Not the only reason but pretty much the main reason... they would have been around a few more years if not for it or even if Ted wanted to keep going...

& like I said WCW was always changing. That's what made it different from WWE & that's why it gets too much hate from Vince Sucker Uppers! lol

Vince didn't beat Ted lol... Ted doesn't even respond to him because he's a ridiculous old man starving for attention. He's nothing to Ted & he'll never be the big Hollywood celebrity he wants to be & neither will WWE... & the irony is that it's BECAUSE of him that it won't.

I'm not talking about WHY wcw died either... I'm saying they should be here because if WCW stuck around long enough, who knows what would've happened with them, they were always changing bosses & there was always awesome things that happened here & there with the different management.

I'm not saying WWE didn't deserve to keep their company based on the awesome programming they put out at that time. They beat WCW programming in those few years by a long ass mile... they deserved to beat them BUT what I AM SAYING... is that they deserved to be there then!! .....BUT RIGHT NOW they don't deserve SHIT because they rape me with Roman Reigns promos EVERY GODDAMN WEEK!

Look, all I'm saying is that if WCW was still around, there's a very good possibility it may be awesome AF since it was always changing & that's how companies succeed. Vince is always talking about that... rolling with the times but that's exactly what his company DOESN'T do... everybody thinks it's lame, he's a joke lol... also just saying that WWE is horrible & WCW gets way more hate than they do, more so than they deserve. Also if they were still around the industry would be better as a whole.

I think WWE's attitude these days is why they deserve to go in the fkng ground lol ALL I'M SAYING... and also that if WCW was here, it may be awesome... couldn't be worse than the shit we see on RAW every week.


I suggest you read "The Death of WCW" which goes on a week by week study of WCW during the war, giving all ratings and PPV buy rates and they explain quite well why WCW died
Read it, great read by Bryan Alvarez, love that guy. I actually just got the version you can listen to with him reading it. He should be working for WWE writing and calling matches.

I'm not even going to get into Bischoff because yeah he made some crappy decisions at the end but also made some great ones, and some great points after WCW was gone & when he was in WWE. Still think he's brighter than Vince any day. But then again... so is my dog so who knows.
 
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Wait, serious question. What exactly is thread about? I have been reading it, and I still don't quite get the "topic of the thread".
 

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Wait, serious question. What exactly is thread about? I have been reading it, and I still don't quite get the "topic of the thread".
JESUS!!! .....IT MEANS WCW WAS AMAZING OKAY! ...OKAY!!! I MISS MACHO MAN & HIS HOES DAMMIT!!!

I was drunk watching it when I posted this! K!!!

Kdog with them Filthy Animals & maskless Rey got me all excited! saying all kinds of cool shit

"OTELE... Arriba La Raza!"

 
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Yeah, it is how they beat WCW for 84 weeks. But it is also why they died. Guaranteed contracts had to be paid whether the wrestlers were working or not. There's no way out of it. They promised a LOT of money to these wrestlers and it paid off in the short run. However, because Bischoff was so obsessed with the Monday Night Ratings, the PPV buy rates suffered. And they went from making 80 million profit a year to losing that much a year. And there was nothing they could do about it because they couldn't fire wrestlers and not pay them because the contracts were guaranteed.

You cannot say that the only reason WCW died was the AOL/Time Warner merger. If WCW were making the kind of money they were making at the height of the Monday Night War, they would not have been cancelled. But they became a money pit and a liability because they were losing tons of money. Ted Turner protected them before the merger because he felt a loyalty to WCW, so it continued even though it was losing money. But it was the many, many stupid mistakes by Russo and Bischoff and Hogan that made the show boring, repetitive and uncreative that made the ratings drop and PPV buy rates drop. They lost a LOT of money and that is why they were cancelled.

If you got your information from WWE produced documentaries, I suggest you read "The Death of WCW" which goes on a week by week study of WCW during the war, giving all ratings and PPV buy rates and they explain quite well why WCW died. The AOL/Time Warner merger was just the decision to cancel it. And that decision was based off the fact that WCW was awful, getting horrible ratings and losing 10s of millions of dollars ever year. That is why it died.

Would WCW still be alive if the merger never happened? No one really knows that. If Bischoff and his group succeeded in buying it, there was no guarantee it would have gotten better. We really don't know what would have happened. Honestly, I think Bischoff proved to be an incompetent business man who mortgaged the future to get results in the present. His incompetence, coupled with the wrestlers creative control and stupid confusing booking and repetitive and boring story lines killed WCW. And that's pretty factual whether you want to accept it or not. I do not believe if Fusient had purchased WCW, I am sure Bischoff's incompetence would have led to an eventual cancellation. Fusient didn't have the finances to sign big contracts because they didn't have Ted Turners money and the ONLY thing Bischoff ever did was sign people to huge contracts.

So undoubtedly, in my viewpoint, WCW would be dead regardless of the merger. The only thing that could have saved WCW was if Hogan put his massive and stupid ego aside and agreed to have Sting beat the hell out of him at Starrcade, thus giving the fans exactly what they had been expecting for 18 months. But no, even though Hogan claimed he didn't use his creative control clause, it's obvious he did. BIschoff claimed he didn't have Sting destroy Hogan because Sting was out of shape... which was utterly stupid and utterly bull crap. Sting was in amazing shape at the time and even if he wasn't, it didn't matter. Sting's shape didn't affect the fact that he could beat down the entire NWO on a weekly basis without getting hurt by anything. It was Hogan not wanting to look weak because that is the ONLY rational explanation as to why that match got so messed up.

So they pissed their fans off. And they kept doing it after that. They kept pissing them off and doing dumb things like Nash beating Goldberg for the belt and the finger poke of doom. It was a downward spiral. I have no doubt WCW would be dead unless Ted Turner would have bought it back, which I don't think he could have legally done since he was the biggest share holder in AOL Time Warner (I am not sure on that).

I look forward to scoring another disagree from you :emoji_stuck_out_tongue:
Genius. Seriously let’s fuck.
 

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