When did Randy Orton become a tool?

Discussion in 'SmackDown' started by JC4Life37, May 28, 2012.

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  1. Seriously... when did it happen? He wasn't always garbage. In fact, in Evolution his mic work had some personality.

    So, when did he become such a tool?

    Tool = A device or implement, esp. one held in the hand, used to carry out a particular function.
  2. Don't know why but the thread title made me lol :emoji_stuck_out_tongue:
  3. It's the crowds fault. Randy was super over as a heel but he became the eyecandy of basically every woman in the crowds and they started cheering him and forced a faceturn on him. 2011 was one of his best years ringwise since he put so much new talent over and had some of his best matches. Yet his mic work has taken a beating since I don't think he knows how to play the good guy.
  4. When he turned face, probably. I don't think he plays a face very well and his gimmick doesn't help.
  5. I see the 'face' argument, but its like he isn't even trying. HBK could come back, not lace up a boot and sell a PPV.

    You guys know it, Randy Orton probably couldn't sell one PPV buy if someone lit his bus on fire
  6. It's true. Randy is over, but he isn't a draw. I'm not sure why though.
  7. HBK was never a draw so I don't see that point.

    Orton's character is a sadistic psycho badass who cares about no one but himself. Yeah, totally a face right? Orton lacks serious mic skills, he never used to but he does now. They're just monotone. He makes up for it with wrestling ability and probably the best look in WWE. Orton was a draw when he was a heel funnily enough.

    He's too over to change, the women seem ridiculously attracted to him and want to cheer him whenever they can. Because he has this "i don't care" attitude, the men want to cheer him because we've got no other face who doesn't smile like a little girl and kiss all the other face wrestlers.

    WWE booking is the result of Orton's demise.
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  8. viper gimmick + face turn /thread
  9. It's true, the only other face who doesn't kiss everyone's ass is Ryback. It's funny when we see a face with a heel gimmick, and the respective announcers backing it up.
  10. HBK was never a draw, but he was decent enough to main event WM 23.

    I used the HBK analogy to illustrate that a busted draw could overcome that if he put in the effort.

    Lesser guys (mic work) like Bret, HBK and HHH were passable and sold matches using both dichotomies... and neither were true draws.

    At this point, Orton isn't drawing flies. This figures, considering he's at least putting over guys who potentially could
  11. You're telling us that you can overcome the odds (I.E. Not being a draw) if you work very hard? Well thanks for giving us that very valuable life lesson. HBK alone isn't a draw, but because he always works hard and delivers a 5 star match he is a draw being people know they will get their money's worth. But most people aren't near as hard working as HBK. That's the problem. That's one of the main reasons Cena is on top, because he works harder than everyone else in WWE. His other features don't hurt either.
  12. So. True.

    I think a lot of us, even Dolph's, would like him if it wasn't for "Orton booking"
  13. When he was born?
  14. Come on Dolph I can't see you not marking for his legend killer gimmick, or even his Viper gimmick when he was in his prime.
  15. Even when he's not in his prime. He's one of the best in-ring performers.
  16. I think he's just a much more natural heel. But the problem is he became a face because the crowds just started cheering for him and they had no choice but to turn him. Punk faced the same problem. I also wouldn't put it all down to him being eye candy for the women, since if that was the case, he would have never been able to portray a heel at all in the first place, especially back during his 'Legend Killer' days when he looked much more like a pretty boy (maybe it's just me, but when I stopped watching in 2005 and started again in 2010, Orton looked like he aged about ten years.)
  17. He was cheered a lot when he was put against Sheamus for the WWE Title, after Sheamus won it from Cena. When there was that Legacy conflict storyline. I think they were planning a face turn for DiBiase, but Orton ended up turning because he was being cheered. Not exactly sure how it worked, but his turn had something to do with it.
  18. Lmao that's so retarded. Dibiase should've turned face not orton. That would be like in Evolution if Triple H had turned face instead of batista/orton. Completely stupid and didn't put anyone over.
  19. I know, it sounds stupid. But you can't force a turn on someone if the crowd wouldn't accept it. I agree that it should've been for DiBiase, but if he was beeing booed, I'm not sure it would work if they had sticked to the plan.
  20. In 2002.
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